I don't want to lose my system... Magic update from Home 3.2

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:31 am

But I want to upgrade to the 2.6.x kernel

Is magic supposed to make this happen?

I got some message about how running magic could cause my system to become unusable, at which point I backed slowly away...

Magic wrote: !!THIS VERSION OF GENTOOX MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH MAGIC ANYMORE!!
!RUNNING MAGIC MAY CAUSE UNEXPECTED BEHAVIOUR OR EVEN A NON-BOOTING!
!SYSTEM, PRESS CTRL-C TO CANCEL, OR PRESS ENTER TO CONTINUE AT YOUR!
!! OWN RISK !!

Then I see

ShALLaX wrote:Post experiences here please.

Quick tip for successful upgrading:

Once Magic has finished, backup your ENTIRE E: partition, then format your E: partition, then transfer your backup back to E:. Then boot up and run `emerge mozilla-firefox`

Which seems pretty painless, especially in comparison to the !!!!!! message

Then I also see

ShALLaX wrote:The D-Pad doesnt work because of the way joymouse was coded.

Which, I think, means that I can't upgrade - the controller is the only way I have to control my Xbox.

Is this right, or am I misunderstanding the situation?

Trevante · Post by **Trevante** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:56 am

Hmm...well I can't really answer your question about magic and upgrading, but if the d-pad doesn't work, you should still be able to use the analog stick.

orochi · Post by **orochi** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:29 pm

the message about your version being outdated is because you run =>Pro1.5 or =>Home 3.2, that message is because shallax is(was really) compiling Home 4.0, just skip the message to update the kernel etc. via magic.

if you do want to run magic right now, follow this:

run magic
backup your ENTIRE E:
format E:
copy your files back
boot gentoox

joypad doesnt support the directional pad (digital pad) up/down/left/right, analog works fine however, you sould be fine with that.

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:07 am

Thanks Trevante!

Thanks, again, orochi!

Biting the bullet, now...

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:00 am

Hmm...

Multiple failures

First of all, it crapped out because of a blocking issue with Mozilla-Thunderbird

"Fair enough", I thought, "I remember reading that I need to emerge Firefox after the upgrade".

So I emerge unmerge Mozilla, and re-run magic.

The script asks "Do you want xfce4". So, I thought this meant "Do you want to perform the available upgrade on xfce4"

Now, I'm wondering if the question is actually "Do you want to install xfce4 from scratch?" because I get an error telling me that

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03:35:38 (4.05 KB/s) - `xfce.b0x' saved [4367/4367]
This will install the XFCE windowmanager
emerge xfce4...
Calculating dependencies ...done!

!!! Error: the xfce-base/xfce4-base package conflicts with another package.
!!!        both can't be installed on the same system together.
!!!        Please use 'emerge --pretend' to determine blockers.


 !! Emerge failed.

 !! xfce patch failed.
 !! Check your network settings and try again.

 !! Note the error(s) above then press enter to continue.  Submit the full
 !! error when posting a bug report.

Magic encountered the above error(s), please try again later.

So, I tried

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emerge --pretend xfce4

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[blocks B     ] xfce-base/xfce4-base (is blocking xfce-base/xfce4-4.2.0)

So, it looks like the current installation of xfce blocks the installation of the new version.

This makes a weird kinda sense...

Or am I totally misunderstanding what it is that I'm seeing?

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:29 am

Think before speak!!

I just tried

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 emerge --update xfce4 --pretend

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[blocks B     ] xfce-base/xfce4-base (is blocking xfce-base/xfce4-4.2.0)

So, at least this makes more sense in relation to magic performing the maintenance of the system, in the first place.

But I'm extremely unaware why an early version of the software will prevent an update from being performed...surely, if this happens, every update will fail, since, by definition, an earlier version of the software exists??

I guess I'll have to

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emerge unmerge xfce

before i re-run magic...

I'm just getting sick of the Xbox sitting there, constantly compiling...

I know that at least some people on the gentoo forums would have a heart-attack at this suggestion, but wouldn't it be possible for us to take advantage of the fact that we're all using a console, here?

By which I mean, we're all running the same hardware, in terms of processor, NIC, etc, we all have the same USE flags (or is this something you do/can change when installing the Pro version?)

Isn't it possible, in theory, to capture the compiled code, and host that somewhere.

Then we could update the mirrors list - if the pre-compiled code you need is there, easy + quick!! Otherwise, do the normal thing. (Download source, compile on your Xbox. Then zip this to upload somewhere?)

I mean, I imagine that this must be what's on the Gentoox install disk, right? Shallax's talking about compiling KDE for 60 hours, and how this doesn't affect anyone but him...

The initial Gentoox install didn't take as long as installing new packages does!!

I suppose the only way to actually make this happen would be to write an entirely new package distribution system, to deal with dependencies, etc...

Wait a minute! Magic is an entirely new package distrubution system!!!

At the very least, it should somehow be possible for me to compile the Xbox code on my desktop PC?? (processor ~ 2.5x, RAM ~ 12x)

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:05 am

I can barely believe it, but it actually worked!!

I had to

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emerge unmerge xfce-base/xfce4-base

to get it to work, but:

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uname -a
Linux Xbox 2.6.11.4-xbox-Gentoox #1 Mon Apr 25 08:36:06 BST 2005 i686 Celeron (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:36 am

Since this conversation is going so swimmingly, I'll continue it!

I suppose I should have realized that what's occurred to a n00b had already been thought of many times, before

I've discovered that Portage includes BINHOSTS, which is exactly what I was talking about in regards pre-built packages...

I need to find more information about how to get the package after it's built...

It's my intention to have a few more Xboxes in future...I'm in no position to host these packages for all the Gentoox users!

And, as for my other question, compiling packages on my desktop, this also seems to be doable, I found some information about distccd, which allows distributed compilation!

Looks like it might be 'goodbye' to Ubuntu on my laptop - though, perhaps, not all the distccd servers need to be Gentoo boxes??

Hmm...more research needed.

This thread is turning into my own blog, it seems!!

B4tm4n · Post by **B4tm4n** » Fri May 13, 2005 4:22 pm

I`ve installed natively on my F drive and for the last past few weeks of installing and running magic then reinstalling and running magic ,I`d just about given up. I was getting the same errors as you. Being a noob I didn`t know what to do untill I read your posts. Now I`ve successfuly upgraded my kernel using your helpful advice.
The only think I`ve still got to do is emerge mozilla.

Thank you B4tm4n.

inconsistency · Post by **inconsistency** » Sat May 21, 2005 6:20 am

Obviously, I haven't been here for over a week, but I'm very glad that my experience helped you

It was a good thing that I kept going with my blog